Intermittent fast, 14-18 hours a day for several years now. I did a 20 mile cycle a few weeks ago and realised I hadn't eaten til I got back, it works.
If a person is still growing, probably not best to fast, in general. Otherwise, I have done intermittent fasting most of my life, and I do believe it has benefitted me.
I am with Ray here, also most kids these days are overfed, with poor nutritional value foods, they have poor metabolic and respiratory health, wouldn't over do it, but it is something to have in mind.
of course ... a bad joke i guess ... still remember that FDA expert stating with a straight face "we cant know the effect of these vaxx on toddlers until we try them" ... this was the reason given at hearing to approve the vaxx on toddlers ... amazing.
it reminds me of that rothchilds quote that most people wouldnt understand how the system works, and the few that do will have a vested interest on keeping it going.
I try to have my kids not eat anything for about 12hrs a day, So if their last meal is at 7pm, they have breakfast around 8:30am the next day. No issues. Of course we try to feed them all natural food, organic when possible, but not always. Mainly the things known to be more heavily sprayed at least.
As a T1 diabetic I think I would struggle with an extended, hardcore fast. However, since experimenting with 12/24 hour fasts, liquid only 24 hour periods and a dramatic reduction in carbs, my blood glucose levels are more stable and predictable, insulin requirement reduced (obviously) and I feel more energised and lighter!
I’ve been supplementing too. Thanks JP for your recommendations. Currently take C,D, quercetin, zinc, selenium, NAC, Ubiquinol, chaga or black seed oil, melatonin, Lughols iodine, magnesium and Nicotinamide Riboside. Quite a daily intake. Should I cut anything out??
No cut, that is similar to mine, with some changes and I don't have Diabetes, for people with some form of chronic disease or something else like me I call it "the minimum to function" lol. Well if anything I would say perhaps add creatine.
im struggling to think of any human that wouldnt benefit, our ancestors often went long periods without food, eating less isnt a cure, smaller portions isnt a cure. eating till full and avoiding sugars, increasing salt intake etc. we have been lied to all our lives about diet
I used to think like you, not anymore, and not merely by scientific reasons. I would argue that yes, some people may not be able to handle it from the get go and should build to it, but most people, right now in 2022, should fast.
Regardless of health btw. I even wrote "Spike/virus".
Im a healthy middleaged guy. I began daily fasting in 2013. I merely skip breakfast and drink black coffee. I do 16/8 roughly each day. But if Im busy I will skip lunch making it a 24 hr fast roughly as autophagy(cell cleaning) and hormesis I think only really begin after 16 hours......so my 16/8 functions only really as a calorie reduction. But I did an 88hr(3.5 days) fast last year. It was spiritual in that it grounds you in your boredom and uncomfortableness and makes you see reality.Instead of spirituality being all rainbows and fairies it is actually dirty in the moment atoms jiggling unpleasantly. The trick to fasting is to replace lost salts. Cole Robinsons 'snakejuice' is what you need.Just salty water basically. I use cheap lo-salt which is half sodium and half pottassium.
Before I got onboard with intermittent eating, I was always trying to fine the magic food that would help me feel better (lupus, fibro, and chronic fatigue). I started cryotherapy, intermittent, eating. Keto, lifting, and the ever changing supplements.
may i ask what you currently eat? i am of the opinion if done right, a full on carnivore diet will help tremendously with these fibro issues.
theres a theory that fruits and veggies have very similar proteins to ones found in meat but are not exactly the same and the body uses the materials to hand, causing some of these cells to be replaced with something not quite right
I gained weight in full carnivore. I admit, it may have been done incorrectly. I was vegetarian for 3 years but found as I got older I needed more protein. I currently eat more keto (this help with weight and energy). My meat sources are all local ranchers. I eat eggs from a local source; chickens roam freely. They get some nonGMO grains as need be. Dairy is clean. Honestly, cryo enabled biggest change in fibro as well as a persistent psychotherapist. I have been thinking if exploring carnivore more fully.
I thought OMAD was good but my go-to-fasting-guy 'Cole Robinson'(you should look up his youtube-hilarious) now says you spike your bloodsugars by wolfing down one meal a day massive amounts of protein etc and that multiple 400cal meals in your feeding window is how to do it and that its better for weight loss etc too.
Yes. 100x yes. For those ready to take the next step beyond OMAD, and other intermittent fasting, I recommend August Dunning’s book, The Phoenix Protocol.
“The Phoenix Protocol uses dry fasting for its predictable metabolic changes that occur during the transition from glycolysis into ketosis to initiate a more aggressive state of autophagy; a deeper state of cellular correction that cannot be achieved by the nightly period of repair during sleep.” — http://cytolyfe.com/book.html
I would love to know your thoughts on Tom Bunker's long covid advice. 48 hour fasts, and trying to Not induce autophagy on other days. So many things conflict with each other. (Including advice for other health issues like PCOS, that say fasting should be avoided). But nothing is more important than clearing this virus. https://recoverfromlongcovid.com/?p=145
Just went through that person stuff. It is pretty damn close to mine (it is pinned in the main Substack page), I also advise building up to fasting, starting with Intermittent fast, than 24, 48, and 72 (after the person build-up to it). I agree with most of what he said though.
PCOS sometimes is fixed by merely adding more salt to the diet, bur if you have Long Covid might be a circulatory thing and... well, fasting and supplements will definitely help.
Yup, figured that out. There is no one size fits all way of eating. Keto is my best eat habit with intermittent fasting. It works for me. Maybe not everyone but that isn’t a surprise.
A 5 day water fast wiped out the fatigue I had for 3 months after Covid.
Great!
Intermittent fast, 14-18 hours a day for several years now. I did a 20 mile cycle a few weeks ago and realised I hadn't eaten til I got back, it works.
If a person is still growing, probably not best to fast, in general. Otherwise, I have done intermittent fasting most of my life, and I do believe it has benefitted me.
fasting brings a person to autophagy, this would help even growing children but obviously to do much more limited
I am with Ray here, also most kids these days are overfed, with poor nutritional value foods, they have poor metabolic and respiratory health, wouldn't over do it, but it is something to have in mind.
of course ... a bad joke i guess ... still remember that FDA expert stating with a straight face "we cant know the effect of these vaxx on toddlers until we try them" ... this was the reason given at hearing to approve the vaxx on toddlers ... amazing.
it reminds me of that rothchilds quote that most people wouldnt understand how the system works, and the few that do will have a vested interest on keeping it going.
I try to have my kids not eat anything for about 12hrs a day, So if their last meal is at 7pm, they have breakfast around 8:30am the next day. No issues. Of course we try to feed them all natural food, organic when possible, but not always. Mainly the things known to be more heavily sprayed at least.
if toddlers can handle mRNA injections they can handle anything ...
As a T1 diabetic I think I would struggle with an extended, hardcore fast. However, since experimenting with 12/24 hour fasts, liquid only 24 hour periods and a dramatic reduction in carbs, my blood glucose levels are more stable and predictable, insulin requirement reduced (obviously) and I feel more energised and lighter!
I’ve been supplementing too. Thanks JP for your recommendations. Currently take C,D, quercetin, zinc, selenium, NAC, Ubiquinol, chaga or black seed oil, melatonin, Lughols iodine, magnesium and Nicotinamide Riboside. Quite a daily intake. Should I cut anything out??
No cut, that is similar to mine, with some changes and I don't have Diabetes, for people with some form of chronic disease or something else like me I call it "the minimum to function" lol. Well if anything I would say perhaps add creatine.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThingsHiddenn/status/1461317934429753344
Thank you JP. Great thread. Looks like I will add creatine! If I buy tablets, what’s a sensible daily amount? 3000mg?
i tried explaining this to some t1's in a facebook group some years a go, they all got mad at me lol
good job!
Not so fast!
It is not suitable for everyone, like any food or medsa.
Generally, yes - proper fasting is beneficial.
We can start by eating less or smaller portion sizes.
im struggling to think of any human that wouldnt benefit, our ancestors often went long periods without food, eating less isnt a cure, smaller portions isnt a cure. eating till full and avoiding sugars, increasing salt intake etc. we have been lied to all our lives about diet
I used to think like you, not anymore, and not merely by scientific reasons. I would argue that yes, some people may not be able to handle it from the get go and should build to it, but most people, right now in 2022, should fast.
Regardless of health btw. I even wrote "Spike/virus".
interesting. how often and for what periods would you suggest a healthy middle age man should fast? thanks in advance !
24 hours once a week or every 2 weeks. Or 3 days (or as close as you can) every few months (2-3 months).
Do what feels better to you is my motto. But at least 24 once a month.
many thanks!!
Im a healthy middleaged guy. I began daily fasting in 2013. I merely skip breakfast and drink black coffee. I do 16/8 roughly each day. But if Im busy I will skip lunch making it a 24 hr fast roughly as autophagy(cell cleaning) and hormesis I think only really begin after 16 hours......so my 16/8 functions only really as a calorie reduction. But I did an 88hr(3.5 days) fast last year. It was spiritual in that it grounds you in your boredom and uncomfortableness and makes you see reality.Instead of spirituality being all rainbows and fairies it is actually dirty in the moment atoms jiggling unpleasantly. The trick to fasting is to replace lost salts. Cole Robinsons 'snakejuice' is what you need.Just salty water basically. I use cheap lo-salt which is half sodium and half pottassium.
Before I got onboard with intermittent eating, I was always trying to fine the magic food that would help me feel better (lupus, fibro, and chronic fatigue). I started cryotherapy, intermittent, eating. Keto, lifting, and the ever changing supplements.
may i ask what you currently eat? i am of the opinion if done right, a full on carnivore diet will help tremendously with these fibro issues.
theres a theory that fruits and veggies have very similar proteins to ones found in meat but are not exactly the same and the body uses the materials to hand, causing some of these cells to be replaced with something not quite right
I gained weight in full carnivore. I admit, it may have been done incorrectly. I was vegetarian for 3 years but found as I got older I needed more protein. I currently eat more keto (this help with weight and energy). My meat sources are all local ranchers. I eat eggs from a local source; chickens roam freely. They get some nonGMO grains as need be. Dairy is clean. Honestly, cryo enabled biggest change in fibro as well as a persistent psychotherapist. I have been thinking if exploring carnivore more fully.
weird that you gained weight, it might have been muscle growth tho?
Gluconeogenisis is the issue
I have seen fasting backfire with people with eating disorders and true adrenal insufficiency. The children need to stop the constant snacking.
if toddlers can handle mRNA injections they can do anything ..
< omad
I thought OMAD was good but my go-to-fasting-guy 'Cole Robinson'(you should look up his youtube-hilarious) now says you spike your bloodsugars by wolfing down one meal a day massive amounts of protein etc and that multiple 400cal meals in your feeding window is how to do it and that its better for weight loss etc too.
depends on your goal, choice of foods, my insulin doesnt go up after feeding cos i dont eat crap
Yes. 100x yes. For those ready to take the next step beyond OMAD, and other intermittent fasting, I recommend August Dunning’s book, The Phoenix Protocol.
“The Phoenix Protocol uses dry fasting for its predictable metabolic changes that occur during the transition from glycolysis into ketosis to initiate a more aggressive state of autophagy; a deeper state of cellular correction that cannot be achieved by the nightly period of repair during sleep.” — http://cytolyfe.com/book.html
I would love to know your thoughts on Tom Bunker's long covid advice. 48 hour fasts, and trying to Not induce autophagy on other days. So many things conflict with each other. (Including advice for other health issues like PCOS, that say fasting should be avoided). But nothing is more important than clearing this virus. https://recoverfromlongcovid.com/?p=145
Just went through that person stuff. It is pretty damn close to mine (it is pinned in the main Substack page), I also advise building up to fasting, starting with Intermittent fast, than 24, 48, and 72 (after the person build-up to it). I agree with most of what he said though.
PCOS sometimes is fixed by merely adding more salt to the diet, bur if you have Long Covid might be a circulatory thing and... well, fasting and supplements will definitely help.
Yup, figured that out. There is no one size fits all way of eating. Keto is my best eat habit with intermittent fasting. It works for me. Maybe not everyone but that isn’t a surprise.
Cool! Everything old is new again! I have been down to 1 reasonable meal very low carb day for quite a while.
It does, they share certain (biochemical) similarities, going keto is also another thing I ask many people to just do it.