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toolate's avatar

there was that one paper about SarsCov2 hanging out in gut microflora right?

anecdotally i think probiotocs might help Long covid

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Moriarty's avatar

It hangs in there and causes a massive shift on the microbiome, I suspect it is partially where lots of the gut issues post covid are coming from (yes, including Omicron).

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toolate's avatar

Maybe not just the gut issues too

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Tom Sarega's avatar

Yeah very interesting. Had real issues with my gut - had acid reflux for years screwing me up and found out that I've got a H-Pylori infection which I must have had for a while - so it may actually be applicable on the dual infection front regarding covid. Main thing that has massively reduced the covid symptoms so far is Kefir.

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Moriarty's avatar

People with subclinical or clinical gut pathologies should supplement probiotics, specially after Covid infection, this damn virus will affect where you are weaker (at the moment), most people with gut issues will be hit in the gut. There are many things for H. Pylori, NAC, Gluthamine, etc, the list is quite big.

In fact a bunch of supplements that work against SARS 2 works to treat H. Pylori.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Another tactic is L. Reuteri yogurt home made. Bought a specific yogurt maker & use specific recipe. Works with SIBO & other gut flora imbalances.

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Spaceman's avatar

Good information and discussion. I used serrapeptase after recovering from main symptoms, to clear/clean biofilm of gut - but I only use it for 7 days at any one time. I've read of some people using it for 12 months + with no problems. But I've read accounts of people have sudden severe reaction after 3 weeks. Used before once - had to stop after 10-14 days because stools became very pale and blood iron levels dropped below normal. I've read it's sometimes used as a chelator to reduce mineral build up. Different people have different tolerances, have to be careful with it. Good observations also about keeping gum/teeth clear. Lemon tea (real lemons) - hydrogen peroxide mouthwash - daily nasal rinse (only the lower cavity) - bio yoghurt on empty gut.

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Moriarty's avatar

I think using higher doses of Serrapeptase or Natto/Lumbrokinse are very particular to each person. I have enough inflammation and damage inside me that I took 500.000 every other day for two months, I clearly so much inflammation I literally got stronger, but cleaned so much biofilms, the byproducts of their breakdown shifted my immune response, then got hit by Omicron T_T.

Good commentary.

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Joe's avatar

Really great post, thank you. Anecdotally I may have witnessed this recently. Omicron was light, only a few days, light fever and no stop in work etc, feeling fine apart from the voice going.. then I'm feeling better and negative test but then start feeling worse days later...low grade fever, feeling out of it, and my first thought was secondary infection due to immune suppression.

Many of the herbs I used are also known for their potential biofilm disruption: ginger, black seed, reishi and other mushrooms that may override some of the immune evasion.. and now I'm thinking about the green propolis study. But the difficulty remains getting to the biofilms - they're just really tough. I certainly don't like the idea of spike hiding out skewing my immune response..

It could also explain why long covid seems to preferentially hit people with less initial symptoms.. a really good fever might help degrade better than chemical attack.

Presumably virus cannot stay there without replication forever though...how long would you say it survives, and would hyperthermia/sauna be one way to degrade it quicker?

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Moriarty's avatar

Thanks for the complement. Yes, there are two sides post Omicron infection. There is what I call Omicron after effects, usually chest weirdness, chest pain, followed by shortness of breath, low energy, among others. Few weeks later lots of people get some gut dybiosis.

Then there is the immune suppression and secondary infections that will get many. I have a lot of things on biofilms, if people want I could write a post about it.

There was this one recent paper who demonstrated that a fever is very beneficial in SARS-CoV-2 infection, so you are correct, it is a way for your body to deal with that frenken-spike.

I think things like Natto and Serratiopeptase would be helpful to degrade whatever is inside the biofilms, give the anecdotal evidence I got on DMs, I would say a good 16 weeks is the average for biofilm burst>re-infection.

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Dingo Roberts's avatar

This ties a couple of seemingly unrelated ideas together. Decades ago, dentist Weston Price theorized that many diseases originate in the mouth. In 2004, researchers found that viruses can "hit and hide", being dormant in the body for years. Recently, Belgian researchers who all tested negative for covid were sent to Antarctica where, months later, they experienced a covid outbreak.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

I don’t have the answers, but I’d like to send a special greeting to Dr. Science for his contribution to this Frankenstein monster.

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Moriarty's avatar

The answers for biofilms ? There are many ways to deal with them, just got deal with them not too fast, so your body don't get overwhelmed, otherwise, yes, this shit is a Frankenstein virus.

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Sandokhan's avatar

Is Sars-Cov-2 a virus or a mycobacterium? Certainly there are cell wall deficient mycobacterium which look exactly like a "virus" and pass through the same filters. In 2020 Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer isolated M. avium in patients with Covid-19. In 2003 Chinese researchers located a new form of Chlamydia pneumoniae in patients with Sars (M. avium is accompanied by passenger mycoplasma as well). If it is a bacteria, then the treatment must include antibiotics, especially clarithromycin. It is a pity that solithromycin has not been approved yet.

Covid-19 - M. avium

Covid-22 - M. influenzae

M. influenzae then becomes M. africanum, exactly as it did in 1918.

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Alberto Silva's avatar

The previous one was brilliant, this one was boring/inconsequential. Is it the same "other person", or are there several?

OK - microbiome among first suspects for COV2 latency, among which biofilms.

There - fits in 48 characters.

Cheers.

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Moriarty's avatar

Microbiome is one thing, biofilms are another and this far far more pertinent than my other hypothesis, because this one applies to every person infected, Reverse AIDS is 99% jabbed.

Just one other person who wishes to remain anon, I never collaborated with anyone else.

By previous one you meant the Th17 ? If yes, so yeah, kinda obvious, that one took a long time and research, this one was a byproduct when we were researching the Interleukin-12 pathways. I tried to simplify too, biofilm is too extensive and gets complex quickly, specially with endotoxins added to the mix and protein interaction.

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