The Dr Coetzee I listened to embedded in this tweet (from South Africa), said it’s the unvaccinated most at risk… this is confusing because Dr. Jalali in California said he is seeing vaccinated people dying lately. I don’t understand why South Africa isn’t pushing early treatment protocols like Dr. Chetty’s or the FLCCC’s protocol or McCullough’s protocol. Madness…. Seems like everyone is getting much sicker from these variants.
Pressure from 3 letter organizations and western elites to push the vaccines, otherwise they don't get aid. A lot of these doctors who publicly speak will support the vaccines, but some westerns when faced with the reality of it all, will let the truth spill.
My biggest concern is Pfizermectin. It will cause mutations that we didn't see before, the literature for it is out there (just google mutations viral rebout).
I was vaccinated with two Phizer shots in May and June last year. I did so mainly because I fell prey to the idea that my parents might die from Covid and I would never see them face to face again. I was lied to in so many ways, and I will not forget.
I bring it up after reading this because I am wondering about the long term effect on immune systems. I am 48, I eat mostly whole foods, I get plenty of exercise, I have not felt any side effects from the vaccine. I have not had Covid. My immune system seems fine, as I haven't been ill with anything but a hangover in a decade at least, not really since I kicked Lymes back in 2008.
That is why I stopped generalizing, don't know if I properly done that. A lot of people simply bounce back from the effects of the vaccines, and other have 0 side effects, and it works "as it was supposed too".
A healthy life style is incredible helpful towards that too. If you think there is potential side effects given the family medical history, try fasting until you can fast 72 hours. That is the best tool to fix things, and its free hehe.
The stack starts in a promising way, and ends up fully the Geert VdB pathway: immune imprinting (= Original Antigenic Sin) + Antibody selection pressure.
Not that that's bad.
Geert is mainly right IMHO, but he limits his critique of the alleged "vaccines" to a strictly "antibody-über-alles" lane, which is correct as far as what makes your sicker but omissive as to what keeps you alive.
He blanks out 1) CD4/CD8 T-cell neutralization, although he does mention somewhere that the vaxxed strong AB reaction marginalizes mature innate immunity, 2) other celular metabolic negative impacts specific to genic vaccines, ADvirus & mRNA.
I am commenting on the evidence, solely based on that, and even linked the other posts you should read. There is immune imprinting, which is different from OAS, and there are literally a dozen paper (here even) on selective pressure by vaccine antibodies, the third paper goes in-depth on that, but 99.99% of people wouldn't understand.
Unlike him, I don't think the world is ending, and I predicted these exact outcomes in March 2020 lmao. The only person who forecasted before me, and with MUCH more accuracy (even foretolding the exact antibodies that would come and aminoacids changes) was Daoyu.
And I am not even 3% Daoyu. I actually don't bother reading most people except him (from the mainstream, big accounts).
They are often used interchangeably, so it is not wrong, in this specific case, "size", the amount of antigens, and the "size" of the immune response. OAS is directly linked to ADE, I use immune imprinting as "higher viral load, and inflammation" and not just ADE which people links to death.
JP, u know how u said it causes extreme fatigue? Did u see that report about the people who died in Bahamas? One woman said she felt “paralyzed” just wondering if there’s a connection?
These are exactly the points made by Dr Mike Yeadon. He felt Geert must know this information and is wondering why he is omitting it from his analysis.
Why not? I’ve trusted his views more than anyone else’s this whole pandemic. Has he been wrong yet? He said a short while ago that he expected increased infectiousness to go right along with increased pathogenicity, but he said he was wrong about that. But now, looks like the increased pathogenicity is coming or here… and he has predicted that as well. What is your beef with Bossche? Just curious as I respect your writings as well.
Because I stick to the science and facts, even though I use complexity analyses to do what I do, he sticks to whatever he does. He is in the same circles as Malone, Kirsch, Stephanie, and others. They are all in talks with each other, all in conference calls, all pushing political bullshit.
There are things going on behind the scenes that most people are not aware.
See my track record, and see what I got wrong (when it comes to this virus, literally nothing so far).
Anyone with a cursory reading of literature in 2020 knew there would be increase in infectiousness, and now we have a mathematical model for increase in infection and pathogenicity, we ain't there yet.
I trust only one person in this whole mess. Daoyu and I often will spend hours to verity that he is right (and learn in the process which is good I guess).
I do think Geert “sticks to the science.” I also think he seems like a really good human being with no agenda. I mean, he’s gotten nothing but grief and ridicule from the mainstream for warning us of the most salient fact of all- never mass vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine, into a pandemic of a highly mutable virus-all you will do is create massive immune pressure, causing variants, keeping herd immunity from happening. That 100% correct. GVB rocks.
Ralph Baric, arguably the father of SARS-CoV-2 warned about that in 2015, that is literally what coronaviruses do, specially SARS type, they love to change the spike protein. Most of us anons knew about that in February 2020, from cursory research. You can find me laughing at the vaccines in March 2020.
John Paul, what is your take on Dan Sirotkin's idea that COVID is a de-attenuating LAV that is in the process of becoming more virulent until it will kill us all? Asking because of your take on GvdB and how he's all doom and gloom and isn't providing any solutions (other than Ivermectin prophylactic). Dan's work is interesting and seems to make sense - I'd be interested to get your take.
Yeah, I think Geert is very anti Covid19 vaccine for good reason, as well. He’s always been anti Covid 19 vaccine with these particular biologic injectables.
He pushes people to that circle of "friends", and they are all pushing a political agenda.
I don't consume his content, but I never once saw he offering a way off, a way to fix, it is all doom. I literally have a tested and proved way to mitigate the effects of the virus, and have directly helped/healed a few hundred people, indirectly probably a few thousand.
Geert actually does have a plan- he highly recommends mass roll out of antiviral prophylaxis with ivermectin and for several weeks (6-8 weeks) to diminish viral load and infectious pressure- like India did to quell its Delta wave. That said, hydroxychloroquine appears to work well for the Omicron variants according to Dr. Kory. Geert does give a way out, not just doom and gloom. But from reading widely from all of you, frankly, it’s not going to be all sunshine and roses the next few years. Our governments basically hate us and no one will be rolling out anything helpful. Only more jabs, more death, more disease. I like your supplement advice. I take those and have for a couple years now. Thanks, John Paul. Don’t be jealous of Geert. He was the first immunologist/virologist to speak out against this madness. He deserves our support and he is a credit to humanity.
I watched the Del Bigtree interview and it sounded reasonable but Dr Mike Yeadon went through it point by point on his Telegram channel and isn’t buying it. Dr Yeadon is beginning to doubt him due to these “incorrect” scientific statements
Ok, I’m trying to get a perspective on these new variants and how they might affect the ones near and dear to me in KS USA:
*Wife, Pfizer 2 jab series, Omicron probably BA1 early January
*Myself, unvaxxed, Omicron in January, same variant as wife
*Mother, Pfizer 2 jab series, no Covid, but blood clots in both lungs, currently on standard ivermectin prophylaxis of .2 mg/kg biw
*Son, Pfizer 2 jab series + Pfizer booster in Dec, Omicron BA1 or 2 in April
*Daughter in law to be, Moderna jab + Pfizer booster in Dec, Omicron in April, same variant as son
*Handful of unvaxxed friends, Delta in the fall
So we run the gamut. If I read you correctly, wife, mother, son and daughter in law to be are at great risk and probably should be on ivermectin prophylaxis. Not sure about my Omicron BA1 self and Delta friends. The BA4 & 5 strains sound nasty so when they start appearing should we unvaxxed with natural immunity start prophylaxis also? Have read on Steve Kirsch that bifidobacteria is protective, so a good probiotic would be good? Tried to follow your supplement entries, but there are not enough hours in a day. You seem to like NAC. Not qualified to assess quality, but am amazed at the sheer volume. Do you sleep?😂 Thanks for what you do.
Ok, vaccines aside, regardless of variants (because the new ones, most of us will get infected with), every single time they get infected they should go through a regiment of supplements, because the virus usually overwhelms the body. Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, NAC or Liposomal glutathione, Melatonin or Turkey Tail extract, VITAMIN D +K2 ARE A MUST, and your mom needs to get into all of these and Serapeptase/Nattokinase ASAP. It will be extremely helpful, not eating a lot of carbs, or fasting for the adults will also be extremely helpful, specially the vaccinated.
Not at risk per se, I don't have the medical history, genetics etc, but the infection comes with unpleasant after effects, I rather people try to avoid those. Ivermectin barely holds Omicron BA.1, BA. 4 and 5 forget it, stop taking like tic tacs, take only when infected with something.
Probiotics are very helpful, especially with the new variants that hit the gut harder, the ones you should use though, it is up to you. I have a series of posts about the supplements, at the very least you should read those, the rest are analyzes of science papers and stitching together my grand hypothesis.
I do lol.
Previous infection with Delta is meaningless, they should look up to get infected with Omicron, at this point you can consider Omicron SARS-CoV 2.5, they are very different from all perspectives.
Sincere thanks for taking the time to respond to my scenario so specifically. Wife, mom and I already supplement D3 and K2, melatonin for me also. Have NAC and quercetin handy. Will track down your posts on nicotinamide… and serapeptase… Your tic tak jab at ivermectin prophylaxis is funny. Not sure that Kory and Marik would approve. 😂 I have noticed that FLCCC recommends hydroxychloroquine over ivermectin and I’ve heard Dr Kory on two occasions admit to using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin in combo for Omicron and once that in the fall he had to up the dose substantially for Delta. Perhaps ivermectin’s life cycle, at least where Covid is concerned, is nearing its end?
"Sadly I can’t find the tweet a nice follower tagged me, but it was a EMS worker from Africa commenting exactly this."
Here is that tweet and link I sent you about BA4/5 severe fatigue observed by someone on the ground in new SA wave:
https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/1520437972059017217
Gary Kerr
@RavenXV
Replying to
@mr_raiderMD
Here this week, in those with 2 or 3 doses, from those I've had to assist here, before the ambulance arrives, it is a lot of coughing, and fatigue.
The fatigue is quite bad, they are floppy, like a rag-doll, not an ounce of strength. Move them too much and 🤢🤮
4:20 AM · May 1, 2022·Twitter for Android
Thank you, I will pin your commentary, because it is rather pertinent and important.
The Dr Coetzee I listened to embedded in this tweet (from South Africa), said it’s the unvaccinated most at risk… this is confusing because Dr. Jalali in California said he is seeing vaccinated people dying lately. I don’t understand why South Africa isn’t pushing early treatment protocols like Dr. Chetty’s or the FLCCC’s protocol or McCullough’s protocol. Madness…. Seems like everyone is getting much sicker from these variants.
Pressure from 3 letter organizations and western elites to push the vaccines, otherwise they don't get aid. A lot of these doctors who publicly speak will support the vaccines, but some westerns when faced with the reality of it all, will let the truth spill.
Yes, I’m sure that is true. I appreciate your insights, John Paul. Thank you.
Amazing and sobering post, thank you very much.
My biggest concern is Pfizermectin. It will cause mutations that we didn't see before, the literature for it is out there (just google mutations viral rebout).
Yeah, wow, it's never-ending.
I love your term Pfizermectin. 😄
Not created by me sadly, I saw a random account many many months ago, and stuck in my head haha.
I was vaccinated with two Phizer shots in May and June last year. I did so mainly because I fell prey to the idea that my parents might die from Covid and I would never see them face to face again. I was lied to in so many ways, and I will not forget.
I bring it up after reading this because I am wondering about the long term effect on immune systems. I am 48, I eat mostly whole foods, I get plenty of exercise, I have not felt any side effects from the vaccine. I have not had Covid. My immune system seems fine, as I haven't been ill with anything but a hangover in a decade at least, not really since I kicked Lymes back in 2008.
That is why I stopped generalizing, don't know if I properly done that. A lot of people simply bounce back from the effects of the vaccines, and other have 0 side effects, and it works "as it was supposed too".
A healthy life style is incredible helpful towards that too. If you think there is potential side effects given the family medical history, try fasting until you can fast 72 hours. That is the best tool to fix things, and its free hehe.
The stack starts in a promising way, and ends up fully the Geert VdB pathway: immune imprinting (= Original Antigenic Sin) + Antibody selection pressure.
Not that that's bad.
Geert is mainly right IMHO, but he limits his critique of the alleged "vaccines" to a strictly "antibody-über-alles" lane, which is correct as far as what makes your sicker but omissive as to what keeps you alive.
He blanks out 1) CD4/CD8 T-cell neutralization, although he does mention somewhere that the vaxxed strong AB reaction marginalizes mature innate immunity, 2) other celular metabolic negative impacts specific to genic vaccines, ADvirus & mRNA.
Geert VandenBoschen
The Unforgivable Sin - 08 Oct 2021
=>https://archive.md/IEU7A
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-unforgivable-sin
Why can’t C-19 vaccine mandates be taken seriously? October 23, 2021
=>https://archive.md/TbJnR
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-are-the-current-covid-19-mass-vaccinations-to-be-considered-a-public-health-experiment
Re: "better at forecasting", it was by design, the business model from the start.
December 2020: You have to pay every year to stay alive, basically.
=> *If I saw that, then, anyone smarter should have.*
=>https://archive.is/RfLmI
https://twitter.com/amicocolorido/status/1340452479201398784
(note: edit "wealth" to "wealthY", 2x, at the end)
I am commenting on the evidence, solely based on that, and even linked the other posts you should read. There is immune imprinting, which is different from OAS, and there are literally a dozen paper (here even) on selective pressure by vaccine antibodies, the third paper goes in-depth on that, but 99.99% of people wouldn't understand.
Unlike him, I don't think the world is ending, and I predicted these exact outcomes in March 2020 lmao. The only person who forecasted before me, and with MUCH more accuracy (even foretolding the exact antibodies that would come and aminoacids changes) was Daoyu.
And I am not even 3% Daoyu. I actually don't bother reading most people except him (from the mainstream, big accounts).
Please can you explain the differences between OAS and immune imprinting? From my layman’s research they appear remarkably similar/interchangeable.
They are often used interchangeably, so it is not wrong, in this specific case, "size", the amount of antigens, and the "size" of the immune response. OAS is directly linked to ADE, I use immune imprinting as "higher viral load, and inflammation" and not just ADE which people links to death.
I mostly agree, so see no need to oppose, & yes @flavinkins / twatter @daoyu15 has been a beacon for > 30 months re: the cov2.
For the rest, in 5 letters & one space: "AB bad"
+ no/or wrong correlation to "protection from disease or death", it was all a scam.
JP, u know how u said it causes extreme fatigue? Did u see that report about the people who died in Bahamas? One woman said she felt “paralyzed” just wondering if there’s a connection?
No I didn't, but Covid itself can do that via other ways. But maybe she got a bad case of BA. 4 or 5 ?
These are exactly the points made by Dr Mike Yeadon. He felt Geert must know this information and is wondering why he is omitting it from his analysis.
Yes, saw that.
Note, there is a character limit that doesn't manifest itself - end of comment was cut-out:
=> *If I saw that, then, anyone smarter should have.*
=>https://archive.is/RfLmI
https://twitter.com/amicocolorido/status/1340452479201398784
(note: edit "wealth" to "wealthY", 2x, at the end)
Geert Vanden Bossche’s paper!!!
I never read anything by him. Watched a video once.
Why not? I’ve trusted his views more than anyone else’s this whole pandemic. Has he been wrong yet? He said a short while ago that he expected increased infectiousness to go right along with increased pathogenicity, but he said he was wrong about that. But now, looks like the increased pathogenicity is coming or here… and he has predicted that as well. What is your beef with Bossche? Just curious as I respect your writings as well.
Because I stick to the science and facts, even though I use complexity analyses to do what I do, he sticks to whatever he does. He is in the same circles as Malone, Kirsch, Stephanie, and others. They are all in talks with each other, all in conference calls, all pushing political bullshit.
There are things going on behind the scenes that most people are not aware.
See my track record, and see what I got wrong (when it comes to this virus, literally nothing so far).
Anyone with a cursory reading of literature in 2020 knew there would be increase in infectiousness, and now we have a mathematical model for increase in infection and pathogenicity, we ain't there yet.
I trust only one person in this whole mess. Daoyu and I often will spend hours to verity that he is right (and learn in the process which is good I guess).
I do think Geert “sticks to the science.” I also think he seems like a really good human being with no agenda. I mean, he’s gotten nothing but grief and ridicule from the mainstream for warning us of the most salient fact of all- never mass vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine, into a pandemic of a highly mutable virus-all you will do is create massive immune pressure, causing variants, keeping herd immunity from happening. That 100% correct. GVB rocks.
Ralph Baric, arguably the father of SARS-CoV-2 warned about that in 2015, that is literally what coronaviruses do, specially SARS type, they love to change the spike protein. Most of us anons knew about that in February 2020, from cursory research. You can find me laughing at the vaccines in March 2020.
John Paul, what is your take on Dan Sirotkin's idea that COVID is a de-attenuating LAV that is in the process of becoming more virulent until it will kill us all? Asking because of your take on GvdB and how he's all doom and gloom and isn't providing any solutions (other than Ivermectin prophylactic). Dan's work is interesting and seems to make sense - I'd be interested to get your take.
Yeah, I think Geert is very anti Covid19 vaccine for good reason, as well. He’s always been anti Covid 19 vaccine with these particular biologic injectables.
Also compare his work with Daoyu. GvB write platitudes based on specific papers, his last piece is a rehashed paper from 2020 about ADE/etc.
Daoyu predicted even the antibodies that would surface and the exact amino acid changes that would occur in the spike.
Does Daoyu have a Substack? I’ll look at the work if so. Thank you.
I forgot to ask you- what “political bullshit” is he “pushing”? I’m truly curious as to your thoughts on this. Thanks, John Paul.
He pushes people to that circle of "friends", and they are all pushing a political agenda.
I don't consume his content, but I never once saw he offering a way off, a way to fix, it is all doom. I literally have a tested and proved way to mitigate the effects of the virus, and have directly helped/healed a few hundred people, indirectly probably a few thousand.
Geert actually does have a plan- he highly recommends mass roll out of antiviral prophylaxis with ivermectin and for several weeks (6-8 weeks) to diminish viral load and infectious pressure- like India did to quell its Delta wave. That said, hydroxychloroquine appears to work well for the Omicron variants according to Dr. Kory. Geert does give a way out, not just doom and gloom. But from reading widely from all of you, frankly, it’s not going to be all sunshine and roses the next few years. Our governments basically hate us and no one will be rolling out anything helpful. Only more jabs, more death, more disease. I like your supplement advice. I take those and have for a couple years now. Thanks, John Paul. Don’t be jealous of Geert. He was the first immunologist/virologist to speak out against this madness. He deserves our support and he is a credit to humanity.
Here's his call to the WHO not to vaccinate against Omicron https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/second-call-to-who-please-dont-vaccinate-against-omicron
I think this is the paper that goes with the video https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/predictions-gvb-on-evolution-c-19-pandemic
https://rumble.com/v13sqg1-the-vanden-bossche-warning.html
https://thehighwire.com/watch/
Recent interview with Del explaining the paper. It’s devastating.
I watched the Del Bigtree interview and it sounded reasonable but Dr Mike Yeadon went through it point by point on his Telegram channel and isn’t buying it. Dr Yeadon is beginning to doubt him due to these “incorrect” scientific statements
Here's what Dr. Yeadon said on telegram: https://t.me/robinmg/19283
Misinformation about BA4 and BA5 and the unvaxxed is already out. The BA4/BA5 wave is coming and it is the unvaxxed fault and they are are all gonna die! The intelligent rest are protected by the safe and effective vaccines and boosters. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/two-new-omicron-variants-are-spreading-will-they-drive-a-new-us-surge
Ok, I’m trying to get a perspective on these new variants and how they might affect the ones near and dear to me in KS USA:
*Wife, Pfizer 2 jab series, Omicron probably BA1 early January
*Myself, unvaxxed, Omicron in January, same variant as wife
*Mother, Pfizer 2 jab series, no Covid, but blood clots in both lungs, currently on standard ivermectin prophylaxis of .2 mg/kg biw
*Son, Pfizer 2 jab series + Pfizer booster in Dec, Omicron BA1 or 2 in April
*Daughter in law to be, Moderna jab + Pfizer booster in Dec, Omicron in April, same variant as son
*Handful of unvaxxed friends, Delta in the fall
So we run the gamut. If I read you correctly, wife, mother, son and daughter in law to be are at great risk and probably should be on ivermectin prophylaxis. Not sure about my Omicron BA1 self and Delta friends. The BA4 & 5 strains sound nasty so when they start appearing should we unvaxxed with natural immunity start prophylaxis also? Have read on Steve Kirsch that bifidobacteria is protective, so a good probiotic would be good? Tried to follow your supplement entries, but there are not enough hours in a day. You seem to like NAC. Not qualified to assess quality, but am amazed at the sheer volume. Do you sleep?😂 Thanks for what you do.
Ok, vaccines aside, regardless of variants (because the new ones, most of us will get infected with), every single time they get infected they should go through a regiment of supplements, because the virus usually overwhelms the body. Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, NAC or Liposomal glutathione, Melatonin or Turkey Tail extract, VITAMIN D +K2 ARE A MUST, and your mom needs to get into all of these and Serapeptase/Nattokinase ASAP. It will be extremely helpful, not eating a lot of carbs, or fasting for the adults will also be extremely helpful, specially the vaccinated.
Not at risk per se, I don't have the medical history, genetics etc, but the infection comes with unpleasant after effects, I rather people try to avoid those. Ivermectin barely holds Omicron BA.1, BA. 4 and 5 forget it, stop taking like tic tacs, take only when infected with something.
Probiotics are very helpful, especially with the new variants that hit the gut harder, the ones you should use though, it is up to you. I have a series of posts about the supplements, at the very least you should read those, the rest are analyzes of science papers and stitching together my grand hypothesis.
I do lol.
Previous infection with Delta is meaningless, they should look up to get infected with Omicron, at this point you can consider Omicron SARS-CoV 2.5, they are very different from all perspectives.
Sincere thanks for taking the time to respond to my scenario so specifically. Wife, mom and I already supplement D3 and K2, melatonin for me also. Have NAC and quercetin handy. Will track down your posts on nicotinamide… and serapeptase… Your tic tak jab at ivermectin prophylaxis is funny. Not sure that Kory and Marik would approve. 😂 I have noticed that FLCCC recommends hydroxychloroquine over ivermectin and I’ve heard Dr Kory on two occasions admit to using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin in combo for Omicron and once that in the fall he had to up the dose substantially for Delta. Perhaps ivermectin’s life cycle, at least where Covid is concerned, is nearing its end?