Are MB and CDS/MMS so way down on the list that you haven't bothered covering them?
Also, speaking of new viral pandemic being released.... is deepseek the death knell for nvdia et al? :)
Thank you for this update! I've got it in print.... altho the black background takes a bit of squinting, lol. I write out the ones I choose to do and try to track results.
I didn't have time to extensively test them, so they are last given the evidence I see around on social media. A small percentage of people experience significant improvement, but most people need MB + something else to achieve good results.
I am writing about DeepSeek (since it is my favorite AI lab in the world), but no. Nvidia will take a massive hit, but the demand for chips will actually increase... sadly for me. =( I will never have my Machine Learning rig lmao.
I made a Notion website with the old article (without the additions), see if it helps, otherwise you can just copy and paste somewhere else. Let me know when you do it, then I will take it offline =P
"your first goal is fixing your diet, and exercising" Reminds me of something I heard from those "mitochondria" scientists on twitter: "your mitochondria is practically *begging you* to keep moving!"
Do you do methylene blue? I have systemic lupus erythematous with Raynauds, FM, CFS, Sjogrens.
I have been been taking MB for years. I just started increasing DMSO as well as adding Miracle Mineral Solution created by Jim Humble. I also do the vitamin & minerals mostly as described in the post. I am sleeping amazingly well.
I reader mentioned so I decided to republish it with some recent additions, and annotations. I am really not fond of reposting lol (as such this is the second article out of hundreds that I did... I think).
I hope people appreciate the in-depth info, it undoubtedly took a lot of time to collate and present in digestible format.😉 I'm sure there will be lots of people that will find some sort of benefit in the short to medium term from the myriad of options.
Just once though, I would really like to see the many, many, MANY, different protecols, supplementation regimes, and therapeutics offered to the injured by many well-meaning people online over the last 4yrs, is an actual price tag.😐
I mean obviously it's individualized, depending on the person's specific symptoms, and situation, but surely a ball park baseline figure should be fairly available, or range?
For example, Peptides =$70-$200AU + GP consult.
VitaminD &K2 =$40-$80AU
Creatine =$30AU per 250g
And so on.
Based on your list, without actual current price check for all the rest, I'm going to make an educated estimation that someone is looking at bare minimum $1-2000AU, per month (very conservative est).
Plus regular consults to check progress, determine how much is actually been absorbed by the body at between $40-90AU per visit.😐 For a short to medium time frame (3-12mths), someone is looking at anywhere between $3000-24,000AU.
Then depending on how sick they are, will determine which end of that BASE LEVEL range they start at.
This is out of reach for the low socio-economic class, and will ultimately bankrupt the middle-class, although most of which were already wiped out in pandemic idiocracy! But regardless, with supplementation game it becomes a game of time- how much health can you gain before the money runs out?🤔😐🤦♀️
Reality,if your body makes it, you don't need to supplement for it, unless you plan to supplement for life.
These shots were mitochondrial bioweapons. To counter the damage, learn about mitogenesis, mitophagy and how light, water, and magnetism affect them, and us. The one fact that should be your leading statement- get blue light blockers immediately and learn how blue light screws up your regenerative pathways.😐
You are doing great, great work here on this stack and keep going with it.🤗
It is impossible for me to put a price on any supplement. There are seasonal, supply, demand, regional, and country variations. I myself live in Brazil (I am Brazilian), and that alone changes everything price-wise, and what is available or not.
You shouldn't supplement everything unless you are in a severely, insanely complicated disease state. That is why it is tiered, and why I tell anyone to choose what they think it will work best for them while focusing on the least expensive first. In fact, the best approach would be to pick a few, test them for 4 to 8 weeks minimum, evaluate, and test more.
A drastic approach such as taking almost the entire list is for people like me. This was my "damage stack" until mid-2024.
IED (improvised bombs) damage
Knife wound
Traumatic Brain Injury damage
DVT from Covid
Autoimmune reaction in my CNS
Infections with Wuhan, Alpha, Delta
Erosive Gastritis - Grade III (an inch from an ulcer at a point
Here I am, not as strong I was, but strong. And definitely smarter than I was before. Just an example. Some people, like me, need a drastic approach, especially with peptides, to move the recovery need.
The healthier you are, the LESS you need, the better your sleep quality, and the more physically active, the less "optimization" you need. I need to give broad options given the circumstances.
💯🙏 Like I said, i appreciate your work immensely, especially so, given what you have been dealing with. I get the reasoning and agree. I'm just drawing people's attention to the fact that before they embark on a protecol, they need to assess whether it's sustainable for the long term, as well as taking ownership of their therapy, and looking into alternatives that maybe more brain intensive by relearning what they think they know about biology, health, biohacking, but will actually turn out to be better for them in the long game of healing. Supplements are a short game, and very controlled by external influences. mitochondrial medicine starts within each of us, is mostly free, and generates big reward because we are bioelectrical beings, with the capacity to heal anything-given the right environment 😉🙏
One thing that has oddly seemed to help me is Diosmin/hesperidin. I realize it is not talked about much but would be interested to see if you have any thoughts.
Also, probiotics have seemed to help heal my gut ( I use a simple one, Align).
FWIW: I used to make homemade kefir with ancient grains years ago and I stopped for some years. From January to May of 2019, I had three bad sinus infections. Sort of coincidentally, about a month later I got some grains again and started making it with raw milk. At the same time, I started taking cod liver oil again.
I started taking numerous other supplements starting in the summer of 2021.
I had no respiratory viruses through the latter half of 2019, and none for 2020 and 2021. At some time during that year I stopped taking the cod liver oil. I had very mild (meaning no sinus blockage) "colds" in February 2023 and October 2024.
I can't say for certain, but I suspect that the kefir has provided significant immunity support. The colds of '23 and '24 could indicate that the cod liver oil helped as well, or it could just have been a matter of time and circumstance that I got something. Sometimes I exercise pretty hard, and I know I did around the one in '24.
Do you consume the citrus rinds? I have one tangerine tree that has delicious rinds, altho I'm the only one who thinks so, lol. Wish they were year round on the tree.
The more I research Peptides the more miraculous they appear to be. Literally almost too good to be true. I would ask how their benefits are not more widely known but then we all know the answer to that question
You can't patent most of the best peptides because they are all byproducts of human peptides or are direct synthetic "copies".
Suppression and any other sordid tactic have been used and abused by both pharma and medicine itself for years because they can't make money on it. Now doctors found a work around, where they set up clinics and do treatments at an INSANE high markup.
Yes I’ve noticed this. What do you think of the synthetic peptides like Thymopolipeptides? I know oral forms are poorly absorbed but there are a number of pharmaceutics grade versions of thymalin which appear to be pretty commonly used for immune dysregulation in China
interesting to know that on my own my daily regimen is the same as your starter pack...except i add omega 3 (migraine prevention) and use an alternative form of thiamine
I should add Omega 3 but I do NOT trust any of the source in Brazil =/. And fish is so expensive here (literally twice to 3 times the price of good steak... bruh).
The fancier forms such as the one in phospholipid formulas and Alpha-GPC have distinct, and sometimes more "potent" neurological effects.
The "normal" choline acts on the CAP (Cholinergic Antiinflammatory Pathway), especially good for the nervous system, also has memory, and cognitive enhancing effects, and some liver and heart too.
I take daily with my Brain Stack, even alone is great. The older, the more milage (more benefits)
I bought an Alpha-GPC supplement last summer and OMG, the boost to my brain was tangible. I was finding myself tackling and completing tasks that weren't even "on the list"; retaining new music learned far better than experienced in years, ability to sight-read new things enhanced massively; remembering for the first time in maybe a decade, details in a novel I was reading, movies and series I was watching. I was already taking choline, which was positive in its effects, but this really was a game-changer.
Also work. Boiled retains the most nutrients but even frying doesn't entail significant loss. Any way you prefer them is good as long as you consume them.
Although apparently in the US prices of egg are so high, may be cheaper to buy steak some days lol.
In Australia, eggs are in short supply with a limited availability of eggs, after outbreaks of avian influenza early last year resulted in the culling of about 1.8 million birds. A dozen when available cost $5.50+
I've been looking at methylene blue for a while, but I've heard a few things about it that make me concerned. one is that I can't figure out the therapeutic dose range, as different people say different numbers. "The lower the better" "5 mg to 50 mg" and etc. I can get clean MB, which is critically important, but potential side effects and how to dose seem overly complex. Some take it easily, others not. Mercola has been back and forth on it. It inhibits MAO-A, thus potentially creating serotonin problems (major with SSRIs). What has really hung me up about it is that Sabine Hazan has said that MB instantly kills all the bifido bacteria in your gut, and bifido bacteria are a very important biotic over the long term. That last one is a deal killer for me, yet I have not been able to verify that claim from any other source nor determine if it really is a problem or not. Overall, I've avoided it and done other things to raise the efficiency of my mitochondria. I am *very* curious to see your research on this, Moriarty.
Thanks for some very useful information. Do you think 100 mcg of K2 is sufficient regardless of how much D3 you're taking? Or should you increase the amount of K2 with higher doses of D3?
Yes 100 mcg is sufficient regardless how high you go on D3.
Make sure you are taking or have proper levels of magnesium, selenium because both are needed for proper D metabolism and function. Incidentally just take the recommended daily intake or a little bit more and you are good on that front.
I am also wondering about chlorine dioxide and DMSO.
Additionally, is there any reference material to which you can refer me which offers specific information about the different variants of Covid? I ask because the US government monitors sewage/wastewater and derives a list of specific variants present and in which percentage of the total. However, not a single doctor I have talked to knows how to find out which variant a specific patient has, or, therefore, how to tailor a medicine and supplement regimen to the specific patient and that patient’s prognosis, based on the variant. If health officials can truly distinguish among variants, why can’t patients and doctors get that information?
I never tested either, and believe or not I only suggest things I have thoroughly tested and know it works (also I pay attention to people I suggest to and keep track of, so it is not exactly a N=1).
Variant literature is sparse if not scarse, you need to follow specific papers, but there is not an abundance of papers on each variant. Usually doctors and other healthcare provides go by the law of averages, if a specific variant is dominant, they assume that variant is the one that infected you.
To know the precise variant a patient got infected you need sequencing, which is incredibly uncommon, I think they don't sequence even most hospitalized patients in general.
Supplementation would remain the same, the only real changes would be based on tropism + sequelae/symptoms.
If the lasting symptoms are neurological you focus on CNS/brain. Cardiovascular, focus on heart, circulatory system, so on and so forth.
I think sequencing costs is not covered by any insurance, so that would be my "guess". Money, even if it is not that expensive.
this time you have nailed it...thymus regeneration...spot on! time has come when without supplementation its not possible to live...sooner or later that will be truth for all..hard truth but unavoidable..
It is a good list but it assumes a spike protein from a virus that has not been isolated. I would add iodine since we are all deficient and chlorine dioxide which can break down acidic nanotech.
Feel free to ask any questions. I may take long to reply because I am physically exhausted, but I WILL.
I wish everyone a great week ahead.
If I want to eat "peptides" but I dont trust factories, what animals are best? Chicken? Just grilled or boiled?
Eggs. Boiled. Liver grilled with onions (Hate liver).
Your body produces the peptides cited here, just in MINIMAL quantities. Injecting even 500 mcg already does wonders.
Are MB and CDS/MMS so way down on the list that you haven't bothered covering them?
Also, speaking of new viral pandemic being released.... is deepseek the death knell for nvdia et al? :)
Thank you for this update! I've got it in print.... altho the black background takes a bit of squinting, lol. I write out the ones I choose to do and try to track results.
I didn't have time to extensively test them, so they are last given the evidence I see around on social media. A small percentage of people experience significant improvement, but most people need MB + something else to achieve good results.
I am writing about DeepSeek (since it is my favorite AI lab in the world), but no. Nvidia will take a massive hit, but the demand for chips will actually increase... sadly for me. =( I will never have my Machine Learning rig lmao.
I made a Notion website with the old article (without the additions), see if it helps, otherwise you can just copy and paste somewhere else. Let me know when you do it, then I will take it offline =P
https://candle-thorn-c2e.notion.site/Simplified-stack-e11f10eac08a4db28b6fd29cfad4d2ac
Got it, printed and downloaded! Thank you!
THANK YOU, thank you, thank you for your time, your knowledge and your generosity. This is great!!!
🙏🏻
"your first goal is fixing your diet, and exercising" Reminds me of something I heard from those "mitochondria" scientists on twitter: "your mitochondria is practically *begging you* to keep moving!"
except that for me/cfs it will worsen things
Do you do methylene blue? I have systemic lupus erythematous with Raynauds, FM, CFS, Sjogrens.
I have been been taking MB for years. I just started increasing DMSO as well as adding Miracle Mineral Solution created by Jim Humble. I also do the vitamin & minerals mostly as described in the post. I am sleeping amazingly well.
I feel better than I have in decades. Hang in!
Did you find Humble's book anywhere? With the protocols?
You can download Humble's book here:
https://dn720004.ca.archive.org/0/items/mms-health-recovery-guidebook-by-jim-humble-2023-edition/MMS%20Health%20Recovery%20Guidebook%20by%20Jim%20Humble%202023%20Edition.pdf
Is it legal to do this?
Thank you for reposting this periodically, Moriarty. Evolution of thought is not boring - to others, at least. :-)
I reader mentioned so I decided to republish it with some recent additions, and annotations. I am really not fond of reposting lol (as such this is the second article out of hundreds that I did... I think).
Thank you.
I hope people appreciate the in-depth info, it undoubtedly took a lot of time to collate and present in digestible format.😉 I'm sure there will be lots of people that will find some sort of benefit in the short to medium term from the myriad of options.
Just once though, I would really like to see the many, many, MANY, different protecols, supplementation regimes, and therapeutics offered to the injured by many well-meaning people online over the last 4yrs, is an actual price tag.😐
I mean obviously it's individualized, depending on the person's specific symptoms, and situation, but surely a ball park baseline figure should be fairly available, or range?
For example, Peptides =$70-$200AU + GP consult.
VitaminD &K2 =$40-$80AU
Creatine =$30AU per 250g
And so on.
Based on your list, without actual current price check for all the rest, I'm going to make an educated estimation that someone is looking at bare minimum $1-2000AU, per month (very conservative est).
Plus regular consults to check progress, determine how much is actually been absorbed by the body at between $40-90AU per visit.😐 For a short to medium time frame (3-12mths), someone is looking at anywhere between $3000-24,000AU.
Then depending on how sick they are, will determine which end of that BASE LEVEL range they start at.
This is out of reach for the low socio-economic class, and will ultimately bankrupt the middle-class, although most of which were already wiped out in pandemic idiocracy! But regardless, with supplementation game it becomes a game of time- how much health can you gain before the money runs out?🤔😐🤦♀️
Reality,if your body makes it, you don't need to supplement for it, unless you plan to supplement for life.
These shots were mitochondrial bioweapons. To counter the damage, learn about mitogenesis, mitophagy and how light, water, and magnetism affect them, and us. The one fact that should be your leading statement- get blue light blockers immediately and learn how blue light screws up your regenerative pathways.😐
You are doing great, great work here on this stack and keep going with it.🤗
#challengeyourbeliefs #follownone #mistakeswereNOTmade #getlocalised
It is impossible for me to put a price on any supplement. There are seasonal, supply, demand, regional, and country variations. I myself live in Brazil (I am Brazilian), and that alone changes everything price-wise, and what is available or not.
You shouldn't supplement everything unless you are in a severely, insanely complicated disease state. That is why it is tiered, and why I tell anyone to choose what they think it will work best for them while focusing on the least expensive first. In fact, the best approach would be to pick a few, test them for 4 to 8 weeks minimum, evaluate, and test more.
A drastic approach such as taking almost the entire list is for people like me. This was my "damage stack" until mid-2024.
IED (improvised bombs) damage
Knife wound
Traumatic Brain Injury damage
DVT from Covid
Autoimmune reaction in my CNS
Infections with Wuhan, Alpha, Delta
Erosive Gastritis - Grade III (an inch from an ulcer at a point
Here I am, not as strong I was, but strong. And definitely smarter than I was before. Just an example. Some people, like me, need a drastic approach, especially with peptides, to move the recovery need.
The healthier you are, the LESS you need, the better your sleep quality, and the more physically active, the less "optimization" you need. I need to give broad options given the circumstances.
💯🙏 Like I said, i appreciate your work immensely, especially so, given what you have been dealing with. I get the reasoning and agree. I'm just drawing people's attention to the fact that before they embark on a protecol, they need to assess whether it's sustainable for the long term, as well as taking ownership of their therapy, and looking into alternatives that maybe more brain intensive by relearning what they think they know about biology, health, biohacking, but will actually turn out to be better for them in the long game of healing. Supplements are a short game, and very controlled by external influences. mitochondrial medicine starts within each of us, is mostly free, and generates big reward because we are bioelectrical beings, with the capacity to heal anything-given the right environment 😉🙏
Most supplements seem to be made in India or China, shipped in bulk to be re-packaged in another country.
Supplements, drugs, raw materials for drugs, peptides, large part is from China, no other way around it.
You can, theoretically, find locally produced, but it is hard.
This is such a wonderful compilation- thank you for sharing!
Glad I can help people =)
Wow. Thanks
One thing that has oddly seemed to help me is Diosmin/hesperidin. I realize it is not talked about much but would be interested to see if you have any thoughts.
Also, probiotics have seemed to help heal my gut ( I use a simple one, Align).
I will start testing some probiotics next month. I will add Diosmin to the list.
99% of the time I talk about something after I used it a lot, or experienced significant, and quick effects =)
FWIW: I used to make homemade kefir with ancient grains years ago and I stopped for some years. From January to May of 2019, I had three bad sinus infections. Sort of coincidentally, about a month later I got some grains again and started making it with raw milk. At the same time, I started taking cod liver oil again.
I started taking numerous other supplements starting in the summer of 2021.
I had no respiratory viruses through the latter half of 2019, and none for 2020 and 2021. At some time during that year I stopped taking the cod liver oil. I had very mild (meaning no sinus blockage) "colds" in February 2023 and October 2024.
I can't say for certain, but I suspect that the kefir has provided significant immunity support. The colds of '23 and '24 could indicate that the cod liver oil helped as well, or it could just have been a matter of time and circumstance that I got something. Sometimes I exercise pretty hard, and I know I did around the one in '24.
Do you consume the citrus rinds? I have one tangerine tree that has delicious rinds, altho I'm the only one who thinks so, lol. Wish they were year round on the tree.
The more I research Peptides the more miraculous they appear to be. Literally almost too good to be true. I would ask how their benefits are not more widely known but then we all know the answer to that question
You can't patent most of the best peptides because they are all byproducts of human peptides or are direct synthetic "copies".
Suppression and any other sordid tactic have been used and abused by both pharma and medicine itself for years because they can't make money on it. Now doctors found a work around, where they set up clinics and do treatments at an INSANE high markup.
Yes I’ve noticed this. What do you think of the synthetic peptides like Thymopolipeptides? I know oral forms are poorly absorbed but there are a number of pharmaceutics grade versions of thymalin which appear to be pretty commonly used for immune dysregulation in China
interesting to know that on my own my daily regimen is the same as your starter pack...except i add omega 3 (migraine prevention) and use an alternative form of thiamine
I should add Omega 3 but I do NOT trust any of the source in Brazil =/. And fish is so expensive here (literally twice to 3 times the price of good steak... bruh).
Thank you for this. I will adjust several things but I’m on track.
I need to print the charts 🙂
choline is one i have not tried> anything to be aware of?
The fancier forms such as the one in phospholipid formulas and Alpha-GPC have distinct, and sometimes more "potent" neurological effects.
The "normal" choline acts on the CAP (Cholinergic Antiinflammatory Pathway), especially good for the nervous system, also has memory, and cognitive enhancing effects, and some liver and heart too.
I take daily with my Brain Stack, even alone is great. The older, the more milage (more benefits)
I bought an Alpha-GPC supplement last summer and OMG, the boost to my brain was tangible. I was finding myself tackling and completing tasks that weren't even "on the list"; retaining new music learned far better than experienced in years, ability to sight-read new things enhanced massively; remembering for the first time in maybe a decade, details in a novel I was reading, movies and series I was watching. I was already taking choline, which was positive in its effects, but this really was a game-changer.
Alpha GPC can be a game changer for many, it can act in ways that goes beyond what many people expect. Happy you got this potent effect 😁
Alpha GPC can be a game changer for many, it can act in ways that goes beyond what many people expect. Happy you got this potent effect 😁
How about hard cooked eggs for breakfast?
Also work. Boiled retains the most nutrients but even frying doesn't entail significant loss. Any way you prefer them is good as long as you consume them.
Although apparently in the US prices of egg are so high, may be cheaper to buy steak some days lol.
In Australia, eggs are in short supply with a limited availability of eggs, after outbreaks of avian influenza early last year resulted in the culling of about 1.8 million birds. A dozen when available cost $5.50+
It's worse in Canada. But steaks are 60$
Eggs haven't hit that yet.
Yet.
Steaks are 60 dollars in Canada. Bruh.
i was wondering about my intense craving for egss when brain fog was bad
Eggs are rich on a lot of nutrients (it is a super food), but especially rich in Choline, you body wanted to repair them cells =D
I've been looking at methylene blue for a while, but I've heard a few things about it that make me concerned. one is that I can't figure out the therapeutic dose range, as different people say different numbers. "The lower the better" "5 mg to 50 mg" and etc. I can get clean MB, which is critically important, but potential side effects and how to dose seem overly complex. Some take it easily, others not. Mercola has been back and forth on it. It inhibits MAO-A, thus potentially creating serotonin problems (major with SSRIs). What has really hung me up about it is that Sabine Hazan has said that MB instantly kills all the bifido bacteria in your gut, and bifido bacteria are a very important biotic over the long term. That last one is a deal killer for me, yet I have not been able to verify that claim from any other source nor determine if it really is a problem or not. Overall, I've avoided it and done other things to raise the efficiency of my mitochondria. I am *very* curious to see your research on this, Moriarty.
I have been taking it for 4-5 years. I wouldn’t do without it. There is significant literature.
Thanks for some very useful information. Do you think 100 mcg of K2 is sufficient regardless of how much D3 you're taking? Or should you increase the amount of K2 with higher doses of D3?
Yes 100 mcg is sufficient regardless how high you go on D3.
Make sure you are taking or have proper levels of magnesium, selenium because both are needed for proper D metabolism and function. Incidentally just take the recommended daily intake or a little bit more and you are good on that front.
Thank you. I'm already taking both, plus applying a little magnesium "oil" daily, to make sure I get enough.
I am also wondering about chlorine dioxide and DMSO.
Additionally, is there any reference material to which you can refer me which offers specific information about the different variants of Covid? I ask because the US government monitors sewage/wastewater and derives a list of specific variants present and in which percentage of the total. However, not a single doctor I have talked to knows how to find out which variant a specific patient has, or, therefore, how to tailor a medicine and supplement regimen to the specific patient and that patient’s prognosis, based on the variant. If health officials can truly distinguish among variants, why can’t patients and doctors get that information?
I never tested either, and believe or not I only suggest things I have thoroughly tested and know it works (also I pay attention to people I suggest to and keep track of, so it is not exactly a N=1).
Variant literature is sparse if not scarse, you need to follow specific papers, but there is not an abundance of papers on each variant. Usually doctors and other healthcare provides go by the law of averages, if a specific variant is dominant, they assume that variant is the one that infected you.
To know the precise variant a patient got infected you need sequencing, which is incredibly uncommon, I think they don't sequence even most hospitalized patients in general.
Supplementation would remain the same, the only real changes would be based on tropism + sequelae/symptoms.
If the lasting symptoms are neurological you focus on CNS/brain. Cardiovascular, focus on heart, circulatory system, so on and so forth.
I think sequencing costs is not covered by any insurance, so that would be my "guess". Money, even if it is not that expensive.
this time you have nailed it...thymus regeneration...spot on! time has come when without supplementation its not possible to live...sooner or later that will be truth for all..hard truth but unavoidable..
It is a good list but it assumes a spike protein from a virus that has not been isolated. I would add iodine since we are all deficient and chlorine dioxide which can break down acidic nanotech.