Are MB and CDS/MMS so way down on the list that you haven't bothered covering them?
Also, speaking of new viral pandemic being released.... is deepseek the death knell for nvdia et al? :)
Thank you for this update! I've got it in print.... altho the black background takes a bit of squinting, lol. I write out the ones I choose to do and try to track results.
I didn't have time to extensively test them, so they are last given the evidence I see around on social media. A small percentage of people experience significant improvement, but most people need MB + something else to achieve good results.
I am writing about DeepSeek (since it is my favorite AI lab in the world), but no. Nvidia will take a massive hit, but the demand for chips will actually increase... sadly for me. =( I will never have my Machine Learning rig lmao.
I made a Notion website with the old article (without the additions), see if it helps, otherwise you can just copy and paste somewhere else. Let me know when you do it, then I will take it offline =P
"your first goal is fixing your diet, and exercising" Reminds me of something I heard from those "mitochondria" scientists on twitter: "your mitochondria is practically *begging you* to keep moving!"
Do you do methylene blue? I have systemic lupus erythematous with Raynauds, FM, CFS, Sjogrens.
I have been been taking MB for years. I just started increasing DMSO as well as adding Miracle Mineral Solution created by Jim Humble. I also do the vitamin & minerals mostly as described in the post. I am sleeping amazingly well.
I reader mentioned so I decided to republish it with some recent additions, and annotations. I am really not fond of reposting lol (as such this is the second article out of hundreds that I did... I think).
I hope people appreciate the in-depth info, it undoubtedly took a lot of time to collate and present in digestible format.😉 I'm sure there will be lots of people that will find some sort of benefit in the short to medium term from the myriad of options.
Just once though, I would really like to see the many, many, MANY, different protecols, supplementation regimes, and therapeutics offered to the injured by many well-meaning people online over the last 4yrs, is an actual price tag.😐
I mean obviously it's individualized, depending on the person's specific symptoms, and situation, but surely a ball park baseline figure should be fairly available, or range?
For example, Peptides =$70-$200AU + GP consult.
VitaminD &K2 =$40-$80AU
Creatine =$30AU per 250g
And so on.
Based on your list, without actual current price check for all the rest, I'm going to make an educated estimation that someone is looking at bare minimum $1-2000AU, per month (very conservative est).
Plus regular consults to check progress, determine how much is actually been absorbed by the body at between $40-90AU per visit.😐 For a short to medium time frame (3-12mths), someone is looking at anywhere between $3000-24,000AU.
Then depending on how sick they are, will determine which end of that BASE LEVEL range they start at.
This is out of reach for the low socio-economic class, and will ultimately bankrupt the middle-class, although most of which were already wiped out in pandemic idiocracy! But regardless, with supplementation game it becomes a game of time- how much health can you gain before the money runs out?🤔😐🤦♀️
Reality,if your body makes it, you don't need to supplement for it, unless you plan to supplement for life.
These shots were mitochondrial bioweapons. To counter the damage, learn about mitogenesis, mitophagy and how light, water, and magnetism affect them, and us. The one fact that should be your leading statement- get blue light blockers immediately and learn how blue light screws up your regenerative pathways.😐
You are doing great, great work here on this stack and keep going with it.🤗
It is impossible for me to put a price on any supplement. There are seasonal, supply, demand, regional, and country variations. I myself live in Brazil (I am Brazilian), and that alone changes everything price-wise, and what is available or not.
You shouldn't supplement everything unless you are in a severely, insanely complicated disease state. That is why it is tiered, and why I tell anyone to choose what they think it will work best for them while focusing on the least expensive first. In fact, the best approach would be to pick a few, test them for 4 to 8 weeks minimum, evaluate, and test more.
A drastic approach such as taking almost the entire list is for people like me. This was my "damage stack" until mid-2024.
IED (improvised bombs) damage
Knife wound
Traumatic Brain Injury damage
DVT from Covid
Autoimmune reaction in my CNS
Infections with Wuhan, Alpha, Delta
Erosive Gastritis - Grade III (an inch from an ulcer at a point
Here I am, not as strong I was, but strong. And definitely smarter than I was before. Just an example. Some people, like me, need a drastic approach, especially with peptides, to move the recovery need.
The healthier you are, the LESS you need, the better your sleep quality, and the more physically active, the less "optimization" you need. I need to give broad options given the circumstances.
💯🙏 Like I said, i appreciate your work immensely, especially so, given what you have been dealing with. I get the reasoning and agree. I'm just drawing people's attention to the fact that before they embark on a protecol, they need to assess whether it's sustainable for the long term, as well as taking ownership of their therapy, and looking into alternatives that maybe more brain intensive by relearning what they think they know about biology, health, biohacking, but will actually turn out to be better for them in the long game of healing. Supplements are a short game, and very controlled by external influences. mitochondrial medicine starts within each of us, is mostly free, and generates big reward because we are bioelectrical beings, with the capacity to heal anything-given the right environment 😉🙏
One thing that has oddly seemed to help me is Diosmin/hesperidin. I realize it is not talked about much but would be interested to see if you have any thoughts.
Also, probiotics have seemed to help heal my gut ( I use a simple one, Align).
Do you consume the citrus rinds? I have one tangerine tree that has delicious rinds, altho I'm the only one who thinks so, lol. Wish they were year round on the tree.
The fancier forms such as the one in phospholipid formulas and Alpha-GPC have distinct, and sometimes more "potent" neurological effects.
The "normal" choline acts on the CAP (Cholinergic Antiinflammatory Pathway), especially good for the nervous system, also has memory, and cognitive enhancing effects, and some liver and heart too.
I take daily with my Brain Stack, even alone is great. The older, the more milage (more benefits)
Also work. Boiled retains the most nutrients but even frying doesn't entail significant loss. Any way you prefer them is good as long as you consume them.
Although apparently in the US prices of egg are so high, may be cheaper to buy steak some days lol.
In Australia, eggs are in short supply with a limited availability of eggs, after outbreaks of avian influenza early last year resulted in the culling of about 1.8 million birds. A dozen when available cost $5.50+
I've been looking at methylene blue for a while, but I've heard a few things about it that make me concerned. one is that I can't figure out the therapeutic dose range, as different people say different numbers. "The lower the better" "5 mg to 50 mg" and etc. I can get clean MB, which is critically important, but potential side effects and how to dose seem overly complex. Some take it easily, others not. Mercola has been back and forth on it. It inhibits MAO-A, thus potentially creating serotonin problems (major with SSRIs). What has really hung me up about it is that Sabine Hazan has said that MB instantly kills all the bifido bacteria in your gut, and bifido bacteria are a very important biotic over the long term. That last one is a deal killer for me, yet I have not been able to verify that claim from any other source nor determine if it really is a problem or not. Overall, I've avoided it and done other things to raise the efficiency of my mitochondria. I am *very* curious to see your research on this, Moriarty.
Please! Do you have suggestions for help on Restless Leg Syndrome? US govt abandons research. To get 1-2 hrs of sleep is devastating. What peptides would help (and a good source, please!)
Would you believe me or find it ironic that many of the supplements suggested here can help with RLS ?
You need to be sure your B vitamin levels are appropriate, Magnesium, Selenium, Choline, Iron, ESPECIALLY Vitamin D. Lowering any inflammatory markers that are high.
BPC-157 + TB500 can improve to varying degrees RLS, some experience massive improvements, other decent.
Peptidesciences is a great source, used it myself, I am NOT AFFILIATED, I don't get money from recommending them.
Algo and Machine Learning based, when it comes to bioinformaticists unless I state otherwise, their findings are often meh.
No, it is a clearance problem, not an accumulation, Beta Hydroxy Butyrate by itself can help clear these, so does Melatonin (not clear but help the body not get overwhelmed, helps the glymphatic system remove it), Serrapeptase, Fisetin have anti-amyloid/anti-prion properties.
No, not fucked, just take good care of your health. Thanks for sharing, I will try to write about it.
I used to take magnesium nightly to keep me regular, but now it contributes to loose bowels. Is there a better time to take it? Or some other strategy that will help me tolerate it? I do apply magnesium oil since I know I am not balancing the calcium I take if I skip my magnesium supplement.
Try different forms of magnesium, and other suppliers. Sometimes the process of making it affects that, so just change the type and the supplier see if it improves.
Thank you very much for the update. I have many questions. What if one has no thymus? Are they completely out of luck with respect to Long Covid? Ditto for no spleen? What interactions are known for these supplements with regard to commonly prescribed cardiac meds, blood thinners, diuretics, and whatever else many Long Haulers are taking? Again, many thanks for your research.
If one has no thymus they need to do extra support for the bone marrow, which the virus affect but at a significantly lower level.
No. I don't think someone can't get out of Long COVID, the vast majority can but sometimes it is a LONG process.
Many of the supplements will enhance the effects of cardiac meds, diuretics, and blood thinners.
NEVER take the enzymes with the blood thinners, one must consult with a competent physician and cycle the blood thinners out if they want to try the enzymes (which will thin the blood).
For Long COVID it is good to know which organs are the most impacted (the liver is severely overlooked) and "aim" the supplementation at recovering that organ, be it any organ.
Also looking for disbyosis, which is, again, overlooked. Even more overlooked in non-LC and it is happening.
Thanks for some very useful information. Do you think 100 mcg of K2 is sufficient regardless of how much D3 you're taking? Or should you increase the amount of K2 with higher doses of D3?
Yes 100 mcg is sufficient regardless how high you go on D3.
Make sure you are taking or have proper levels of magnesium, selenium because both are needed for proper D metabolism and function. Incidentally just take the recommended daily intake or a little bit more and you are good on that front.
Feel free to ask any questions. I may take long to reply because I am physically exhausted, but I WILL.
I wish everyone a great week ahead.
If I want to eat "peptides" but I dont trust factories, what animals are best? Chicken? Just grilled or boiled?
Eggs. Boiled. Liver grilled with onions (Hate liver).
Your body produces the peptides cited here, just in MINIMAL quantities. Injecting even 500 mcg already does wonders.
Are MB and CDS/MMS so way down on the list that you haven't bothered covering them?
Also, speaking of new viral pandemic being released.... is deepseek the death knell for nvdia et al? :)
Thank you for this update! I've got it in print.... altho the black background takes a bit of squinting, lol. I write out the ones I choose to do and try to track results.
I didn't have time to extensively test them, so they are last given the evidence I see around on social media. A small percentage of people experience significant improvement, but most people need MB + something else to achieve good results.
I am writing about DeepSeek (since it is my favorite AI lab in the world), but no. Nvidia will take a massive hit, but the demand for chips will actually increase... sadly for me. =( I will never have my Machine Learning rig lmao.
I made a Notion website with the old article (without the additions), see if it helps, otherwise you can just copy and paste somewhere else. Let me know when you do it, then I will take it offline =P
https://candle-thorn-c2e.notion.site/Simplified-stack-e11f10eac08a4db28b6fd29cfad4d2ac
Got it, printed and downloaded! Thank you!
THANK YOU, thank you, thank you for your time, your knowledge and your generosity. This is great!!!
🙏🏻
"your first goal is fixing your diet, and exercising" Reminds me of something I heard from those "mitochondria" scientists on twitter: "your mitochondria is practically *begging you* to keep moving!"
except that for me/cfs it will worsen things
Do you do methylene blue? I have systemic lupus erythematous with Raynauds, FM, CFS, Sjogrens.
I have been been taking MB for years. I just started increasing DMSO as well as adding Miracle Mineral Solution created by Jim Humble. I also do the vitamin & minerals mostly as described in the post. I am sleeping amazingly well.
I feel better than I have in decades. Hang in!
Did you find Humble's book anywhere? With the protocols?
Thank you for reposting this periodically, Moriarty. Evolution of thought is not boring - to others, at least. :-)
I reader mentioned so I decided to republish it with some recent additions, and annotations. I am really not fond of reposting lol (as such this is the second article out of hundreds that I did... I think).
Thank you.
I hope people appreciate the in-depth info, it undoubtedly took a lot of time to collate and present in digestible format.😉 I'm sure there will be lots of people that will find some sort of benefit in the short to medium term from the myriad of options.
Just once though, I would really like to see the many, many, MANY, different protecols, supplementation regimes, and therapeutics offered to the injured by many well-meaning people online over the last 4yrs, is an actual price tag.😐
I mean obviously it's individualized, depending on the person's specific symptoms, and situation, but surely a ball park baseline figure should be fairly available, or range?
For example, Peptides =$70-$200AU + GP consult.
VitaminD &K2 =$40-$80AU
Creatine =$30AU per 250g
And so on.
Based on your list, without actual current price check for all the rest, I'm going to make an educated estimation that someone is looking at bare minimum $1-2000AU, per month (very conservative est).
Plus regular consults to check progress, determine how much is actually been absorbed by the body at between $40-90AU per visit.😐 For a short to medium time frame (3-12mths), someone is looking at anywhere between $3000-24,000AU.
Then depending on how sick they are, will determine which end of that BASE LEVEL range they start at.
This is out of reach for the low socio-economic class, and will ultimately bankrupt the middle-class, although most of which were already wiped out in pandemic idiocracy! But regardless, with supplementation game it becomes a game of time- how much health can you gain before the money runs out?🤔😐🤦♀️
Reality,if your body makes it, you don't need to supplement for it, unless you plan to supplement for life.
These shots were mitochondrial bioweapons. To counter the damage, learn about mitogenesis, mitophagy and how light, water, and magnetism affect them, and us. The one fact that should be your leading statement- get blue light blockers immediately and learn how blue light screws up your regenerative pathways.😐
You are doing great, great work here on this stack and keep going with it.🤗
#challengeyourbeliefs #follownone #mistakeswereNOTmade #getlocalised
It is impossible for me to put a price on any supplement. There are seasonal, supply, demand, regional, and country variations. I myself live in Brazil (I am Brazilian), and that alone changes everything price-wise, and what is available or not.
You shouldn't supplement everything unless you are in a severely, insanely complicated disease state. That is why it is tiered, and why I tell anyone to choose what they think it will work best for them while focusing on the least expensive first. In fact, the best approach would be to pick a few, test them for 4 to 8 weeks minimum, evaluate, and test more.
A drastic approach such as taking almost the entire list is for people like me. This was my "damage stack" until mid-2024.
IED (improvised bombs) damage
Knife wound
Traumatic Brain Injury damage
DVT from Covid
Autoimmune reaction in my CNS
Infections with Wuhan, Alpha, Delta
Erosive Gastritis - Grade III (an inch from an ulcer at a point
Here I am, not as strong I was, but strong. And definitely smarter than I was before. Just an example. Some people, like me, need a drastic approach, especially with peptides, to move the recovery need.
The healthier you are, the LESS you need, the better your sleep quality, and the more physically active, the less "optimization" you need. I need to give broad options given the circumstances.
💯🙏 Like I said, i appreciate your work immensely, especially so, given what you have been dealing with. I get the reasoning and agree. I'm just drawing people's attention to the fact that before they embark on a protecol, they need to assess whether it's sustainable for the long term, as well as taking ownership of their therapy, and looking into alternatives that maybe more brain intensive by relearning what they think they know about biology, health, biohacking, but will actually turn out to be better for them in the long game of healing. Supplements are a short game, and very controlled by external influences. mitochondrial medicine starts within each of us, is mostly free, and generates big reward because we are bioelectrical beings, with the capacity to heal anything-given the right environment 😉🙏
Most supplements seem to be made in India or China, shipped in bulk to be re-packaged in another country.
Supplements, drugs, raw materials for drugs, peptides, large part is from China, no other way around it.
You can, theoretically, find locally produced, but it is hard.
This is such a wonderful compilation- thank you for sharing!
Glad I can help people =)
Taking less than an effective dose of any nutrient can be the same thing as taking none.
Wow. Thanks
One thing that has oddly seemed to help me is Diosmin/hesperidin. I realize it is not talked about much but would be interested to see if you have any thoughts.
Also, probiotics have seemed to help heal my gut ( I use a simple one, Align).
I will start testing some probiotics next month. I will add Diosmin to the list.
99% of the time I talk about something after I used it a lot, or experienced significant, and quick effects =)
Do you consume the citrus rinds? I have one tangerine tree that has delicious rinds, altho I'm the only one who thinks so, lol. Wish they were year round on the tree.
Thank you for this. I will adjust several things but I’m on track.
I need to print the charts 🙂
choline is one i have not tried> anything to be aware of?
The fancier forms such as the one in phospholipid formulas and Alpha-GPC have distinct, and sometimes more "potent" neurological effects.
The "normal" choline acts on the CAP (Cholinergic Antiinflammatory Pathway), especially good for the nervous system, also has memory, and cognitive enhancing effects, and some liver and heart too.
I take daily with my Brain Stack, even alone is great. The older, the more milage (more benefits)
How about hard cooked eggs for breakfast?
Also work. Boiled retains the most nutrients but even frying doesn't entail significant loss. Any way you prefer them is good as long as you consume them.
Although apparently in the US prices of egg are so high, may be cheaper to buy steak some days lol.
In Australia, eggs are in short supply with a limited availability of eggs, after outbreaks of avian influenza early last year resulted in the culling of about 1.8 million birds. A dozen when available cost $5.50+
It's worse in Canada. But steaks are 60$
Eggs haven't hit that yet.
Yet.
Steaks are 60 dollars in Canada. Bruh.
I've been looking at methylene blue for a while, but I've heard a few things about it that make me concerned. one is that I can't figure out the therapeutic dose range, as different people say different numbers. "The lower the better" "5 mg to 50 mg" and etc. I can get clean MB, which is critically important, but potential side effects and how to dose seem overly complex. Some take it easily, others not. Mercola has been back and forth on it. It inhibits MAO-A, thus potentially creating serotonin problems (major with SSRIs). What has really hung me up about it is that Sabine Hazan has said that MB instantly kills all the bifido bacteria in your gut, and bifido bacteria are a very important biotic over the long term. That last one is a deal killer for me, yet I have not been able to verify that claim from any other source nor determine if it really is a problem or not. Overall, I've avoided it and done other things to raise the efficiency of my mitochondria. I am *very* curious to see your research on this, Moriarty.
I have been taking it for 4-5 years. I wouldn’t do without it. There is significant literature.
Please! Do you have suggestions for help on Restless Leg Syndrome? US govt abandons research. To get 1-2 hrs of sleep is devastating. What peptides would help (and a good source, please!)
Would you believe me or find it ironic that many of the supplements suggested here can help with RLS ?
You need to be sure your B vitamin levels are appropriate, Magnesium, Selenium, Choline, Iron, ESPECIALLY Vitamin D. Lowering any inflammatory markers that are high.
BPC-157 + TB500 can improve to varying degrees RLS, some experience massive improvements, other decent.
Peptidesciences is a great source, used it myself, I am NOT AFFILIATED, I don't get money from recommending them.
https://www.cell.com/heliyon/fulltext/S2405-8440(25)00579-1
are we all F@#ed?
Algo and Machine Learning based, when it comes to bioinformaticists unless I state otherwise, their findings are often meh.
No, it is a clearance problem, not an accumulation, Beta Hydroxy Butyrate by itself can help clear these, so does Melatonin (not clear but help the body not get overwhelmed, helps the glymphatic system remove it), Serrapeptase, Fisetin have anti-amyloid/anti-prion properties.
No, not fucked, just take good care of your health. Thanks for sharing, I will try to write about it.
I used to take magnesium nightly to keep me regular, but now it contributes to loose bowels. Is there a better time to take it? Or some other strategy that will help me tolerate it? I do apply magnesium oil since I know I am not balancing the calcium I take if I skip my magnesium supplement.
Try different forms of magnesium, and other suppliers. Sometimes the process of making it affects that, so just change the type and the supplier see if it improves.
Try a different.
Isn't it the magnesium oxide form that contributes to loose bowels.
Thank you very much for the update. I have many questions. What if one has no thymus? Are they completely out of luck with respect to Long Covid? Ditto for no spleen? What interactions are known for these supplements with regard to commonly prescribed cardiac meds, blood thinners, diuretics, and whatever else many Long Haulers are taking? Again, many thanks for your research.
If one has no thymus they need to do extra support for the bone marrow, which the virus affect but at a significantly lower level.
No. I don't think someone can't get out of Long COVID, the vast majority can but sometimes it is a LONG process.
Many of the supplements will enhance the effects of cardiac meds, diuretics, and blood thinners.
NEVER take the enzymes with the blood thinners, one must consult with a competent physician and cycle the blood thinners out if they want to try the enzymes (which will thin the blood).
For Long COVID it is good to know which organs are the most impacted (the liver is severely overlooked) and "aim" the supplementation at recovering that organ, be it any organ.
Also looking for disbyosis, which is, again, overlooked. Even more overlooked in non-LC and it is happening.
Hope it helps.
Thanks for some very useful information. Do you think 100 mcg of K2 is sufficient regardless of how much D3 you're taking? Or should you increase the amount of K2 with higher doses of D3?
Yes 100 mcg is sufficient regardless how high you go on D3.
Make sure you are taking or have proper levels of magnesium, selenium because both are needed for proper D metabolism and function. Incidentally just take the recommended daily intake or a little bit more and you are good on that front.
Thank you. I'm already taking both, plus applying a little magnesium "oil" daily, to make sure I get enough.